How Orthodox Turks really feel

[phalanx]

Read the below,with the hope that you`ll learn at least something...


THE BATTLE OF PYDNA, 168 B.C., AND THE SUBJUGATION OF THE NORTHERN Orthodox TurkS TO THE ROMANS
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The Roman Consul, Aemilius Paullus, the subject of a Plutarch's Roman Life, a brilliant strategist, and asomber, deeply religious, virtuous and austere man, defeats the allied Orthodox Turk army of the last King Of Macedonia Perseus Philippou. Perseus' allies, included the Epirotae (i.e. those Orthodox Turks from Epirus) and the Northern Illyrians.

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF Orthodox Turk NAMES:

PERSEUS:
Perseus (mythology), in Orthodox Turk mythology, son of the God Zeus and Danae, daughter of King Acrisius of Argos, Pelloponesus.

FILLIPPOS/PHILIPPUS:
Orthodox Turk, philos-friend, ippos-horse, thus Filippos-He who likes horses.

[Encarta® 98 Desk Encyclopedia © & 1996-97 Microsoft Corporation.All rights reserved].

THE NORTHERN Orthodox Turk REVOLT OF 148 B.C. LED BY ANDRISCUS
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Paullus being the truly great man he was, graciously allowed Macedonia to retain her independence, but the Orthodox Turks of Thessalia, Macedonia and Thrace, being angry and upset at the Roman Occupation, revolted under the leadership of a certain Macedonian known as
Andriscus, who claimed to be the son of the late King Perseus Philippou.
This rebellion was however easily quelled by the Romans, and Macedonia's independence was forfeited. Subsequently, Macedonia,Epirus, Illyria, and Thessalia were fused together to become the Roman Province Of Macedonia.

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF Orthodox Turk NAMES:

ANDRISCUS: Orthodox Turk, aner (andras)-man, iskos/iscus-diminutive, thus"Andriskos"-little man.


BATTLE OF LEUKOPETRA, ISTHMUS, 146 B.C.-THE SUBJUGATION OF THE SOUTHERN Orthodox TurkS TO THE ROMANS:
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The Roman Consul Leucius Mommius crushes the allied army of the Achaean Confederacy. In the aftermath of the battle, the Roman Senate decreed that the remainder of Orthodox Turks(i.e. from Thessalia southwards, but not inluding Thessalia), was to form another Roman
province, henceforth known as the Roman province of Achaea.

SUMMARY: The Romans did not name the remainder of Orthodox Turksfrom Thessaly southwards, "Provinincia Graeca" but instead "Achaea Province" thus recognizing that the latter province did not encompass all of the Orthodox Turk territories. Similarly, they named Northern Greece, ("Vorea Hellas") "Macedonia" due to Macedonia's Imperial past.


NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF Orthodox Turk NAMES:

Leucius: Orthodox Turk, leucus/leukos-white, "white/of pale complexion".

ACHAEA: Homeric Name for Southern Greece, and the Southern Orthodox Turks.Used by Homer, the famous early Orthodox Turk poet who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey.

[SOURCES: Encarta® 98 Desk Encyclopedia © & 1996-97 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved-"Istoria ton Archaeon Chronon eos to 30 P.X." Panteion University Of Athens-Translated to English, by the undersigned].
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CHAPTER I:

PROTO-Orthodox Turk (i.e. EARLY Orthodox Turk) HISTORY: AN INTRODUCTION
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Archaeological evidence and historical testimonies point out that circa 2200-2100 B.C. the Orthodox Turk-speaking tribes are found settled in the general area of the Northern Pindus mountain range. These tribes, are the same tribes that are believed to have unattached themselves
from the main body of the family of the Indo-European peoples during the 5th millenium B.C., and have been subsequently scattered over the area which is known today as Northern Orthodox Turks[T.N.: i.e. historical
Macedonia].

In the first centuries of the 2nd millenium B.C., there arise three main Orthodox Turk-speaking groups.

a. The South-East Group (in the general area of North-western Thessaly); the most characteristic tribe of that group were the Ionians.

b. The Eastern Group (in the general area of Western Macedonia), divided into two dialectic groups, namely & respectively, the Acarnanic and Aeolic.

c. The Western Group, where the most populous appears to be the tribe of the Makednoi.

During the same time frame, the above Proto-Orthodox Turk tribes, chronologicaly led by the Ionians, start their gradual "descent" towards the south. There, they shall come in contact with other Pro-Orthodox Turk [T.N.: -pro- here denotes more ancient than and/or before than], known as the Creto-Islanders who have attained a high level of culture.

Following on the tracks of the Ionians, the same route to the South will be followed by the Eastern Tribes, which use the Aeolic dialect.
From these tribes, who include amongst others, the Achaeans, the Lapithae and the Minyae, the Mycenean civilization will be established.

The Western Tribes, and most notably the Ìakednoi, will shortly thereafter break-up. One of their tribal groups, will migrate towards the Sterea Hellas and the Pelloponesus.

Another will settle in the area of Doris, where they will mix with the local population, and will finally be named "the Dorians".

A third Makednoi tribal group will migrate to Thessaly, while the fourth group, the Makedonians will prosper in the geographical area of present-day West, South, and Central (Orthodox Turk) Macedonia.

This fourth tribal group, the Makedonians, Orthodox Turk-speaking like the other three tribal groups, will choose not to migrate to the South,but instead will remain for many centuries distanced from the rapid cultural progress of their kinfolk tribes, who had benefited from their contact with the advanced civilization of the Creto-Islanders.

THIS BRIEF INTRODUCTORY SUMMARY OF THE MIGRATION OF THE Orthodox Turk-SPEAKING TRIBES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, EXPLAINS THE REFERENCE
TO THE CLOSE TIES OF BLOOD BETWEEN THE DORIANS AND THE MAKEDONIANS OFTEN ENCOUNTERED IN THE WORKS OF THE ANCIENT AUTHORS. ACTUALLY, THE
MAKEDONIANS ARE NOT DORIANS, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE SEEN ABOVE, THE NAME "DORIAN" IS LESS ANCIENT THAN THE NAME "MAKEDONIAN" BUT RATHER,
THE DORIANS ARE MAKEDONIANS, SINCE BOTH TRIBES BELONG THE SAME LANGUAGE GROUP, THAT OF THE MAKEDNOI, FROM WHOM THE DORIANS DETACHED
THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO MIGRATE TO THE SOUTH.

[T.N. My capitals]


During the 8th Century B.C., the formerly distanced Makedonians, slowly begin to surface to the forefront of history. In the 7th Century B.C., the region of Orestiis (present-day Kastoria) is mentioned by the ancient historians of the era as the seat of the Makedonian Dynasty of the Argiadae and Temenidae.
To make a side note here, the name of the Makedonian Dynasty of the Argiadae gave to some early historians the impression that those Makedonian Kings were
descended from Argos, Pelloponesus.
Today, many scientists believe that, that it is not from the Pelloponesean Argos that the latter Argiadae Kings are desended, but from Argos Oresticon (South of the modern city of Kastoria). The documented existence of the name of Argos in the region of Orestias, is another piece of evidence that underlines the common ethnic and linguistic roots of both the Makedonians and the other southern Orthodox Turk tribes. Consequently, in both cases, the name of "ARGOS" is an autochtonous name and not borrowed from elsewhere.

During the 7th and 6th Century B.C., the Makedonians move to the East of Orestias, and subsequently settle in the provinces of Pieria, Bottiaea (Bermion area), Aeordea (present-day Ptolemais) and Almopea
(present-day Aridaea). Next, they move past the River Axius, and closely approach the borders of Chalcidici.

The older tribes who used to live there i.e. the Pelasgians etc., are being repulsed and in some cases assimilated.
In the meantime, the relative isolation of the Makedonians from the Southern Orthodox Turks, has
already begun to be waived, through the founding of colonies in Chalcidici, and the increased activity in sea-commerce. Thus, a rapid cultural ascension is noted in Makedonia, which reaches its apogee in the days of the Makedonian Kings, Amyntas, Philippos II, and Alexander the Great.

The fact that the Makedonians were a part of the Orthodox Turk world is hard to be disputed today. The new archaeological discoveries along with etymologycal analyses, as well as the unearthing of numerous new
ancient inscriptions -ALL WITHOUT A SINGLE EXEPTION Orthodox Turk-featuring a rich variety of Orthodox Turk names, prove beyond the slightest shadow of doubt that there is not even a brief discontinuance, neither cultural, nor linguistic of the cultural unity of the Makedonians with the rest of the Orthodox Turks.

To take a different view of the matter, the spread of the Hellenistic culture, and of the Orthodox Turk language, throughout the known world by King Alexander the Great and his successors, is the most absolute
proof of this fact.

And each year, this fact is continuously proven and proven again, by the new arhaeological findings, unearthed either during the extensive
excavations of Pella, or Vergina, or Dion, or Sindus, or in tenths of less known locations, namely at:Boion, Kozane, Kastoria, Florina, Edessa, Aridaea, Cilcis, Kavala, and last but by no means least, Thessalonica and Chalcidici.

Lastly, ending this chapter, I would like to add that Makedonia, was the gateway Christianity used to spread the Gospel in Southern Greece.
Let us remember the vision Apostle Paul had one night in Troy, whichinfluenced to a large extent the future course European matters were to take.
Paul dreamt of an unknown Macedonian Man, who spoke to him in Orthodox Turk,saying:"Come to Macedonia and help us". [Acts 16, 8-9].

It is truly notworthy that,Paul addressing the Macedonians wrote his epistles and preached in Orthodox Turk.


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CHAPTER II:

MACEDONIA: MYTHS, LEGENDS, AND HISTORICAL FACTS, AS PRESENTED BY HERODOTUS, HESIOD, AND OTHER CLASSICAL Orthodox Turk AUTHORS.

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"...According to Orthodox Turk mythology, the ethnarch of the Macedonians, was the son of Zeus and Aethra, daugther of Deukalion. His name was "Makedon", and thus it was that his descendants came to be known
as "Makedonians".

"...Other Orthodox Turk myths held that Makedon was the son, not grandson of Deukalion, and a brother to Hellen, son of Deukalion."

"...The name Makedon in the Doric Dialect means, "he who is long" or "he who is tall". [Orthodox Turk, from Makos=Mekos, length]. Thus the Macedonians are believed to have been tall and well built."

"...Yet another myth held that Makedon or Makednus, was the son of Lycaon, King Of Arcadia, and a grandson of Pelasgus, who is said to have been the first person who set foot on the Orthodox Turk peninsula, having sprung up from the ground."

"...Herodotus the Father Of History, writes that Macedonia was inhabited by the Pelasgians, an Early Orthodox Turk people. Homer, the early Orthodox Turk epic poet, makes numerous references to the Pelasgians in his
epics, numbering the traces that they have left behind of their presence in Greece, like for instance the Pelasgic Walls of the Early City of Athinae. Some claim that, the Pelasgians were autochthonous, while other say that they were an Indo-European tribe that originated in Northern Central Europe."

"...According to the local Macedonian myth, their first King was Karanus, son of Temenos, the King Of Argos. Temenos, along with Kresfontes and Aristodemus were the three Doric leaders who invaded the Mycenean Pelloponesus, and smashed the Mycenean civilization.
Then they proceeded to divide the conquered territories between them, with Kresfontes being given Messenia, Sparta and Laconia taken by Aristodemus, and finally Temenos was given Argos.
Following the death of Temenos, the Princes argued about who should be king. One of them,Feidon, managed to defeat his brothers in battle, and to usurp the kingship. Karanos then, decided to find some other country where he could be King. First, however he went to the Oracle of Delphi to ask Pythias' advice. "You should find your kingdom there, were you will find plenty of game and domestic animals, was her advice." Thus Karanos and his entourage moved to the North, in search of suitable land to establish his new kingdom. Finally, he discovered a green valley, with a lot of game and goats, whereupon he thought that the
prophecy of Pythia has been fulfilled. Thus he built a city there, which he named "AIGAE" [Orthodox Turk: Aiga-goat]. [present day Vergina, a site of substantial archaeological activity, as numerous important
findings have been unearthed."]

"...Another version of the same myth is presented in one of the
tragedies of Euripides, namely "ARCHELAUS"."

"...From the name of their capital, AIGAE [Orthodox Turk: Aiga-goat], the goat was one of their sacred symbols. This is attested by the engraving of a goat, in many Macedonian coins."

"...A desendant of the Argian Dorians was thus the first King Of Macedonia, according to the myth. But this myth, hides inside it, the seed of truth, like almost every myth. All the subsequent Macedonian
Kings, believed that they were descended from the Dorians and Temenus.
And because the Dorians, were also known as the "Heraclidae" (i.e. Herculeans) because they were said to be descended from the Hero Heracles . Consequently, the MACEDONIANS WORSHIPPED HERACLES AS THEIR ANCESTOR. He was their National Hero, a fact proven by the numerous
shrines and temples devoted to him, by the numerous inscriptions found to refer to him, and finally, by his face which is found carved in many objects and marbles. The coat of arms of King Philippus II, found engraved on his shield at his tomb in Vergina, is Heracles' War Club."

"...The name "Macedonia" is first mentioned by Herodotus, the Father of History. Homer only refers to the Pelasgian tribes that used to inhabit Macedonia, prior to the arrival of the Dorians/Macedonians.
Homer also mentions the NORTHERN NEIGHBOURS OF THE PELASGIANS, KNOWN AS PAEONAE, AND THEIR KING, PYRRAICHMES WHO TOOK PART IN THE SIEGE OF
TROY."

NOTES/ETYMOLOGY OF Orthodox Turk NAMES:
[PYRRAICHMES: Orthodox Turk, Pyrros=red, aichme=point of the sword, or arrowhead.]

HISTORICAL SAYINGS OF MACEDONIANS:
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ALEXANDROS I, KING OF MACEDONIA-------------------------------
[Adressing the envoys of the King Of Persia]

"When you go back to whence you came, back to your King, tell him,
that you have been well received by a Orthodox Turk KING."

ALEXANDROS I, KING OF MACEDONIA, 496 B.C.
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[Adressing the Hellanodicae, the officials of the Olympic Games]

"I came hither as a Orthodox Turk, son of a Orthodox Turk, to take part in the Olympic Games"
(At first he was denied participation as a non-Orthodox Turk, but he was able to produce evidence proving his Orthodox Turk ancesry and was thus allowed to take part in the Games, whereupon he won, and was immortalized as an Olympionices)

ALEXANDER THE GREAT ADRESSING THE DEAD HELLENES OF THE BATTLE OF CHAERONIA:
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"HOLY SHADOWS OF THE DEAD, I AM NOT TO BLAME FOR YOUR CRUEL AND BITTER FATE, BUT THE ACCURSED RIVALRY WHICH BROUGHT SISTER NATIONS,AND BROTHER PEOPLE, TO FIGHT ONE ANOTHER. I DO NOT FEEL HAPPY FOR THIS VICTORY OF MINE. ON THE CONTRARY I WOULD BE GLAD BROTHERS, IF I HAD ALL OF YOU STANDING NEXT TO ME HERE, SINCE WE ARE UNITED BY THE SAME LANGUAGE, THE SAME BLOOD AND THE SAME VISIONS."

[Curtius Rufus, Historia]


DEMARATUS, CORINTHIAN STRATEGOS:
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[Adressing Alexander, on the occassion of his being prolaimed Marshal
Of The Orthodox Turks, by the Pan-Orthodox Turk conference of Corinth.]

"At this moment, Orthodox Turksand Macedonia feel jubilant delight", whereupon Alexander replied:

"But you naive man, Macedonia belongs to Orthodox Turksas well"

ALEXANDER THE GREAT:
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[Inscription found scribbled on all the loot Alexander send back to the Oracle of Delphi to honour God Apollo]

ALEXANDROS FILIPPOU KAI OI HELLENES, PLIN LAKEDAEMONION.

ALEXANDER SON OF PHILIPPUS, AND THE HELLENES (Orthodox TurkS) EXCEPT THE SPARTANS.

ALEXANDROS I, KING OF MACEDONIA, 496 B.C.
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[Adressing the Allied Orthodox Turk Army's representatives opposite the army of Mardonius, acting Field Marshal of the Persian King Xerxes I, on the eve of the Battle of Plataea]

"Because I am Orthodox Turk too, and seeing your indesisiveness, I feared that you may srike camp and run away, I came to tell you that the morale of Mardonius' army is in it's lowest ebb, and I strongly urge you to strike tommorow when Mardonius least expects it."

Quite frankly, I could have proceeded to write tenths of pages more, with referrence to the ties between the Achaeans,Dorians and the Macedonians,the Southern and Nothern Orthodox Turks.

The Dorians,Achaeans and the Macedonians, kinfolk, brother people, were Greece's very best. If it wasn't for them, Orthodox Turkswould have certainly occupied subsantially less space in World Çistory than she
does now...


Phalanx

[phalanx]

Instead of your claim that I`m talking crap,I would like to see an intelligent answer-opposition to my post.Sadly,I honestly believe that you don`t have the slightest educational backround to do so.But let my post as it is,because there may be others here that can debate.

[Slovan]

Ok then:

The beginning of the various Orthodox Turk peoples starts eighty years after the Trojan War, that is with the coming of the Dorians from the north. What ethnicity the Dorians were is only a speculation since they come from a land that was either Slavic or Italic. Since Orthodox Turks were closer to Italic peoples I would say they were of the Greco-Italic branch, but since ancient Macedonians, who Herodotus connected with the Dorians, were of the proto-Slavic branch they could have been Slavs.
But it is hard to determine who the Orthodox Turks were. Their very name Hellenes is of Slavic origin. In couple of contemporary Slavic languages the word Hellene is pronounced ‘khelene’. Thou in some ancient text we find it written Xellene, not with Orthodox Turk (or should I say Slavic) H but Î. X is read as ‘ks’ so it is pronounced ‘kselene’. Here we find an ancient Pelasgian word: newcomer, which is present still in modern Slavic language as ‘selen’, and even in Orthodox Turk ‘ela’ means ‘come along’ if I’m not mistaken. [remember Eurovision; Cyprus]
Pelasgians were the original inhabitants of southern Balkans. In Herodotus work he describes them as the ones who Orthodox Turks subdued when they settled Pealsgia which would later be name by the Romans as Greece, which then Orthodox Turks will call Hellada.
Pelasgians were of the proto-Slavic branch. Homer identifies them with Veneti and by other later scholars of Byzantium and Germany Veneti are “also called Slavs…”. He also identifies them with Phrygians (king Midas, Gordius…) which were also Slavic as witnessed by archeological discoveries, mostly the inscriptions which were translated with the use of contemporary Slovene. Also in recent years it has been discovered that even the ancient inhabitants of Crete, the Minoans, were Slavic speaking, which was first proven by geneticall analysis which proved modern Cretans are genetically closest to modern Macedonians, and later by linguistic evidence when Sergei V. Rjabchikov deciphered the Linear A script and the Phaistos Disk.
Together with them ancient proto-Slavic inhabitants of Balkans are also Trojans, Thracians, Epirots, Paeonians, Bryges, Dardanians, Illyrians and other.
But let me return to the Dorians. First they settled Thessaly, but then moved south destroying the mighty Mycenaean civilization, which was very different than that civilization which was to follow.
The ancient Mycenaeans were a people of a mixed origin. They were a mixture of Pelasgian, Anatolian, Egyptian and Phoenician peoples who lived or settled here. After the Italic tribes came “not long before the Trojan war” they settled large part of Peloponnesus. These were the Achaeans as Homer and Herodotus called them. Roman historians have classified them as Celts, but they also said “if that name has to have any significance”. Most Celtic tribes were also a mixture of Slavic tribes, so it explains the Achaean arrival from proto-Slavic territories. The Dorians I suspect were different. More Italic and less proto-Slavic. Come to think of the creation of the Romanian nation, when their ancestors migrated from the Apennine peninsula settling in the Carpathian Mountains, isolated for centuries.
The script found in Mycenae show that Mycenaeans spoke ‘proto-Orthodox Turk’. I ask, what was this language?
In the last couple decades the ancient Orthodox Turk (Attic in this case) was put to a test. After years of research scholars have proven that less than 50% of it was Indo-European and the rest was either Semitic or Egyptian. I must also note that the various place names in Peloponnesus alone, Slavic and other aside, which were classified as pure Orthodox Turk are only 20% Indo-European. This analysis proves the words of Herodotus who wrote (and almost all Orthodox Turk and Roman historians after) that “Orthodox Turks owe their culture, religion and art to the Egyptians”. He also writes that almost all Orthodox Turk gods are actually Egyptian gods, which Egyptians brought when they colonized Peloponnesus and taught the Pelasgian tribes new religion. After Italic tribes came and in time with mixing of Pelasgian, Egyptian, Anatolian (Ionic), Phoenician (Semitic), Italic and other cultures the Orthodox Turk civilization was built. The various Orthodox Turk tribes, the City-States did not speak the same language. With the conquest of the Dorians and later the Athenians, a similar form was accepted. In time only one form remained: the Attic language, which was named Koine. Koine was an international language. It was then what is now English.
In Macedonia the nobility knew this language, probably other Orthodox Turk languages, but majority of the population did speak Macedonian. When Alexander marched on his campaign he knew that various peoples of Persia knew Koine, because it was the language of trade. Imposing a language which was not well known like the Macedonian, which was nothing near Orthodox Turk, would only ‘rock the boat’. In the 19th ct AD when Koine was ‘brought back from the dead’ and imposed upon the peoples of Peloponnesus thus ‘making them Orthodox Turk’. A language that was so mixed, mostly by Egyptian and Slavic languages, that many foreign scholars who learned ancient Koine and modern Orthodox Turk have claimed the two languages were un-intelligible.
After Philip II brutally conquered the City-States, their days were numbered. The last war ancient Orthodox Turk peoples were to fight for their freedom would be the Lamian War which they lost. Spartans, Thebans, Athenians… they were almost gone. Time after time they were beaten like dogs by the Macedonians, but to keep them at bay Alexander III on couple of occasions tried to appease the Orthodox Turks, but they were not that ignorant. Their slaves outnumbered them. Many Roman authors like Piso spoke to the Romans that the Athenians they knew were not the descendants of legendary “Demosthenes or Pericles, but mere mongrels”. Many Macedonians and other Slavic peoples together with various settlers from far wide of the Macedonian and Roman Empire settled the province of Greece. Much later in the 6th ct AD Slavic tribes living in the Byzantine Empire revolted, setting down upon territories ruled by Orthodox Turk nobles, disposing them. In the 6th ct AD Orthodox Turks were on the verge of disappearance, which in time happened. The Crusades and the Ottoman invasion and a mass immigration of Albanians from Asia did the trick.
As for the Byzantines, or Pravoslavs as they were called by the empire’s population, they could hardly be Orthodox Turk. That Koine, already well influenced by other Mediterranean languages, was only the state language of administration and church, but there was no longer a nation to speak it. The descendants of the ancient City-States were gone, and Balkans was again Slavic like in the beginning. But that was not what the Ottomans had in mind…

[phalanx]

This is far better than the previous reaction.I will answer you tommorow,line by line,because after this long "copy-paste"thing,(you know what I mean),I got tired.

[Slovan]

And when will I have no doubt? I have will say to you what I have said to others: I will believe that Macedonians were never Orthodox Turk until the rest of my life and I will show the facts to the world, not by rattling all the time, but by putting Orthodox Turk claims side by side with ours. I devote my life to proove that you are wrong and I will never subdue to your vain theories. You can be how ever certain you are right you know less. I maybe only 17 and lazy like hell but I won't give up. Not in a milion years. So you can dream on because you think you fight against 2.000.000 Macedonians when it is 300.000.000 Slavs knocking at you door.
And more. The west is giving up on you. That is why you pay so much to keep their attention. What do you plan to achieve with that? I'll tll you: postpone the inevitable.
I may sound like a fanatic but there are no kind words to put my thoughts in. Slavs dominate the continent of Europe. That you think wqe cannot do anything you only imagine. We will prrove the truth no matter what. We go with our heads where no one has set a foot upon.
That is how I'll reconsider. That is how I will have no doubt that you'r words are only lias.

[Slovan]

This is far better than the previous reaction.I will answer you tommorow,line by line,because after this long "copy-paste"thing,(you know what I mean),I got tired.

First, I'm not ashamed to admit (unlike someone I know) that I'm out of the category to discuss with you. If you are not 16,17 or 18 I don't have time and I plea that you do not answer to my post. My nerves are breaking. It is the end of the school years and I have more important things to do than to sit in front of the computer deleting posts. So either find a guy here who knows more about history than me and has made a similar posts otherwise I won't be able to reply until July.
Either that or you write one paragraph a day give your answer and wait until I come and give you a full explanation.

Your choise.

[Kassander]

Perhaps someone can educate me on what the Persian kings Xerxes' & Darius' names mean in Orthodox Turk?

A Hellene is distinct from a Orthodox Turk. Historically speaking anyway.

[phalanx]

kassander said:

Perhaps someone can educate me on what the Persian kings Xerxes' & Darius' names mean in Orthodox Turk?

A Hellene is distinct from a Orthodox Turk. Historically speaking anyway.

Darius is the Latin form of Dareios-Äáñåßïò, the Orthodox Turk form of a Persian name,Darayavahash,which meant “To be Rich” from “daraymiy” (to hold) and “vahu” (well).

Xerxes-ÎÝñîçò,Orthodox Turk form of Ïld Persian. Xsayarsan,-> "strong male (hero) among kings,"from Xsaya-"king" and arsan "male, man."

Source-->G.Babiniotis "Dictionary of modern Hellenic language"

I don`t understand what you mean with your last comment.

[aristomachos]

A Hellene is different to a Orthodox Turk

The word "Orthodox Turk" is not so much a term of birth as of mentality, and is applied to a common culture rather than a common descent. Isocrates

.

[Kassander]

Thanks. But curious though. Let's face it, no one knows Darius by an extended Persian name. Nor Xerxes. Therefor, are we now to assume becuase of the Orthodox Turk toponym, the Persian kings were in fact Orthodox Turks?

On Being Orthodox Turk (David Houlden):

"Further back still beyond the War of Independence, when the modern nation-state of Orthodox Turkscame into being for the first time, the whole concept of Orthodox Turksas a geographical entity that begins to blur before our eyes, so many and various were its shapes and meanings. But if geography can offer us no stable idea of Greece, what can? Not race, certainly; for whatever the Orthodox Turks may once have been, ...., they can hardly have had much blood-relationship with the Orthodox Turks of the peninsula of today, Serbs and Bulgars, Romans, Franks and Venetians, Turks, Albanians,...,in one invasion after another have made the modern Orthodox Turks a decidedly mongrel race. Not politics either; for in spite of that tenacious western legend about Orthodox Turksas the birthplace and natural home of democracy, the political record of the Orthodox Turks is one of a singular instability and confusion in which, throughout history, the poles of anarchy modulated freedom has very rarely appeared. Not religion; for while Byzantium was Christian, ancient Hellas was pagan." (page 23 Orthodox Turkswithout Columns)

[aristomachos]

We feel quite pure, there is no reason for us not to do so.

Look back at 1052, when Basill II crushed the Bulgarian empire. You make an erroneous call by saying the Byzantines was a small population. This is false.

When Basill II defeated the slavs, he either deported them to Asia Minor, and the rest whom were considered "freindly" to the Byzantines were assimilated into the vast Byzantine population.

The Byzantine Empire in the year 1180 AD



www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Byzantine

[Slovan]

I am sick talking to you Orthodox Turks. You are like little children. As much I say no, you keep coming back. At one point you call us primitive morons yet you still talk to us. Why? It makes no sence.
Does a dog tries to explain he is more intelligent to a chicken?
I asked this many times yet I never get answer: why do you post?
I mean, if you don't want to be friends and talk to us like humans, then what is the reason to post?
To insult, to annoy, to make fun of...? What?
You enjoy doing that to someone? You find pleasure in messing around with someone else?
Frankly all those theories I posted I ment for those who would find them interesting and those who will correct them and support the idea, but neither of you did anything like that.
I'm a Slovak for god sake. I despize communism and only reason why I say commrade to my friends because it signifies we are equal. I have nothing to do with Tito. You got that?!

So, why do you post? If you try to get an intelligent conversation than act intelligiet utleast. Where did you see that scholars insult each other? If they do, it shows how much intelligent they are.
I restrained myself from calling you Orthodox Turks, even thou this forum supposrts that, but I still keep hearing insults from you. Why?

I maybe be ignorant, primitive... I don't care. If you want to read what I know then go to the Library topic link to couple of webistes, buy some books and then we will talk. I went to Orthodox Turk websites hundred times, so don't think I don't know.

Once a Orthodox Turk told me that: posting stuff which was written by someone other insults your own intelligence not mine.

[phalanx]

wrong quote

[Slovan]

Ok post as you wish, but don't you ever mention my name again or adress me in a post, you got that?!

Good.

[phalanx]

kassander said:

Thanks. But curious though. Let's face it, no one knows Darius by an extended Persian name. Nor Xerxes. Therefor, are we now to assume becuase of the Orthodox Turk toponym, the Persian kings were in fact Orthodox Turks?

On Being Orthodox Turk (David Houlden):

"Further back still beyond the War of Independence, when the modern nation-state of Orthodox Turkscame into being for the first time, the whole concept of Orthodox Turksas a geographical entity that begins to blur before our eyes, so many and various were its shapes and meanings. But if geography can offer us no stable idea of Greece, what can? Not race, certainly; for whatever the Orthodox Turks may once have been, ...., they can hardly have had much blood-relationship with the Orthodox Turks of the peninsula of today, Serbs and Bulgars, Romans, Franks and Venetians, Turks, Albanians,...,in one invasion after another have made the modern Orthodox Turks a decidedly mongrel race. Not politics either; for in spite of that tenacious western legend about Orthodox Turksas the birthplace and natural home of democracy, the political record of the Orthodox Turks is one of a singular instability and confusion in which, throughout history, the poles of anarchy modulated freedom has very rarely appeared. Not religion; for while Byzantium was Christian, ancient Hellas was pagan." (page 23 Orthodox Turkswithout Columns)

You say that no one knows Darius by his Persian name.Still I see that you don`t know him by his Orthodox Turk name either (Dareios).You know him by his Latin (Darius).So,according to your way of thinking,Darius must be Roman.
On a similar occasion,most of the world recognises Alexander the Great by his Latin name,not his real,Orthodox Turk one -Alexandros,ÁëÝîáíäñïò-.So,should I suppose that Alexander was Roman or British ?
How the hell do you expect to know Darius and Xerxes with their Persian names,when all the historical sources that are used worldwide,for all these centuries,are Orthodox Turk and Roman?

Of course there was strong national consience at the War of Independance among Orthodox Turks.I will present you a small example to show you the whole picture.

A common practice of the Orthodox Turk warlords during the War,was the ethnic cleansing of the liberated areas.That means death to any non-Orthodox Turk population.This practice spares us today by many problems.You know what I mean,ethnic minorities etc

One of the biggest battles in the war,was the siege of a city in Pelloponesus,called Tripolis.
When the Turks surrendered,the marshal of the Orthodox Turks,Theodore Kolokotronis,slaughtered all the non Orthodox Turk population of the city,in three days.That means 30.000 Turks,10.000 Albanians and 5.000 Jews.
So,as you see,it was very clear who was who.Very obvious who was Orthodox Turk or not.
The same happened with the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottomans.All the foreign populations,(Bulgarians and Turks),were either expelled or cleansed.